Poop on the escalator - Embarcadero exit by the Federal Reserve/Flower shop

eastbayman's picture

man it was gross. I'm sorry I couldn't take a picture of it. It was streaked about 4 feet long, with some footprints. I almost stepped right on it. This thing was partly on the top portion of the escalator and the rest on the brick sidewalk. Who's responsibility is this?

rafa1215's picture

That is pretty nasty. Too bad we can't tell if it's human or not - probably dog. I wish any kind of cop was there to cite this person for not curbing their dog.

Did you slip? Get hurt?

BART police have a responsibility to catch those people..

Did the City of SF not have any non-slip coating on the ground?

Was the earth uneven?

Manufacturing defect in the shoe that made others slip?

I'm sure someone is to blame for you walking upon some PooP.

Maybe you and Elayne can go together and Sue..

--Joking

Wonder what hole Elaine crawled into. I suspect she'd be all about doggy doo doo. Although personally I'd be hard pressed to do as she would do and spend a day counting dog turds in the system. My my what someone will do for a fast buck!

Sign me up twice!

poor dog getting the blame. i'm sure it was hobo human. a few weeks ago someone threw poop all over the ceiling above the escalator area at montgomery. man it was gross. everyone comes into work talking about it.

Rangdan's picture

Maybe the pooper was making a political statement regarding the closure of BART bathrooms. I say close down the restrooms in the BART corporate offices, and see where they have to go to relieve theirselves.

That doesn't even make sense.. Why would the Kaiser building close the restrooms. Restrooms in office buildings where people work are completly different than "public restrooms" in a transit connection.

There is an expectation that there are restrooms at your place of business.. But there are no expectations that a Transit operator would provide restrooms to the public.

I am from NY orig, and there are only restrooms in some stations. If I were a transit operator I would not put restrooms in.. Think of the cost vs benefit..

Plan your day better, take personal responsibility on yourself. It's not public transit's responsibility to provide restrooms if you planned your trip poorly.(If there is a law that says public transit must provide restrooms then let me know.) It's not like it's a surprise to anyone that there are no restrooms in underground stations..

And it is no way a "political statement", It's some nasty a** person that needs to be arrested and required to clean their own S**t up..

IF you really gotta go and there's no restroom, don't blame the business owner. Blame the person that didn't go before they left home, or the person that waited to long before they really had to go, or the person that has some medical condition and didn't think about this before they left home.
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boopiejones's picture

"Plan your day better, take personal responsibility on yourself. It's not public transit's responsibility to provide restrooms if you planned your trip poorly"

i agree with you 100%. what is the longest trip from end to end on bart? maybe 1 hour and 20 minutes or something? tack on about 10 minutes waiting for a train and even 30 minutes getting to/from bart. people can't hold it for a maximum of 2 hours? the average bart commuter probably travels for less than one hour door to door, but even at two hours, you can't hold it??? how do all those people in movie theaters with 48 ounce sodas do it??? oh yeah, they PLAN AHEAD!

And if you REALLY need a BART restroom, there is usually one within a 10 minute ride to a non underground station. (some SF stations have pay toilets (homeless shelters) on the street)

Actually BART should have "pay" toilets like SF.. Seems fair, use it, pay for it..

Spice's picture

Whoo hooo!!! I love it!

"Plan your day better, take personal responsibility on yourself. It's not public transit's responsibility to provide restrooms if you planned your trip poorly."

"Blame the person that didn't go before they left home, or the person that waited to long before they really had to go, or the person that has some medical condition and didn't think about this before they left home."

How do trip planning and the need to use a bathroom relate? I especially love the part about people with medical conditions not thinking before leaving home. When you plan your vacations do you do it around bathroom stops? :D

Notice I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't think people have a fundamental RIGHT to a bathroom, but yow you're all heart, ain'tcha? I would LOVE to be around on the day your Mexican lunch decides mid-ride that it's time to "exit the station" (if you catch my drift). Then again, I take that back... I DON'T want to be around on that day.

Oh and hey, you forgot to blame the kids too. Don't forget little kids not being able to hold it.

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And why should that individuals problem be BARTs problem?

It would really suck if my lunch decided to "exit the system", but it's not BARTs fault or responsiblity.

Spice's picture

Note that line where I said I wasn't disagreeing with you. It isn't BART's problem or responsibility, but jeez, let's all play nice here. It's not necessarily that person's fault either ya know. It IS possible for an upset stomach to sneak up on someone... or for someone to miscalculate or be in a rush or have a medical condition that's not predictable or clock-like... or to have a child suddenly decide s/he must pee or poop within the next 10 seconds or ELSE...

This is LIFE. It's not ALWAYS predictable, but I got a hoot out of the fact that you seem to think it can be planned around bathroom stops.

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boopiejones's picture

the only time i'd ever had food that needed to "exit the station," it wanted out the same way it came in. the need to barf is way different than the need to poo poo or pee pee. you REALLY CAN plan ahead for poop and pee. i see no reason why anyone can't go potty before they leave their house or office or shopping mall or restaurant or wherever the hell they are taking bart from.

as far as small children and people with medical problems, that is why they invented diapers. sing it with me: "get back into life, with depends!"

and you CAN plan life around bathroom stops. my brother-in-law is the biggest douche when it comes to road trips. he needs to pee at every stop, but he also gets a 32 oz soda at every stop - coincidence? i am not saying you need to dehydrate yourself on purpose before taking a road trip with me or traveling on bart, but if you know you are going to be away from a toilet for a few hours you CAN monitor your liquid intake a bit and you WILL NOT die.

Spice's picture

Honestly? While I sit here at work drinking my soda to stay awake on what could very well be the most boring day of the new year, the absolute LAST thing on my mind is "gee, I wonder how long it'll be before this works its way through my system and I'll have the urge to pee".

If I have to pee around quitting time, great. If not, what should I do? What is the appropriate amount of time to sit waiting for mother nature? What if she's late? In college the professor had a certain amount of time to show up before the class could leave... what about M.N.? Does she have a similar grace period?

Heyyyy I know, I could trick my body!

*yawn* *stretch* "would you look at the time, I think it's time to head for home" at which point my body would say "heh heh, I won't make pee pee NOWWWW... but in about 30 mins he should be in the transbay and then WHAM! I'll flood his kidneys so much he'll think he's swallowed the Hoover Dam muhahahahaha" but AHA! I actually announced my intentions 30 mins early and DON'T leave work. That way when the floodgates open I'll be near a bathroom! YAY!!!!

Got a question... how do you plan for poop? What if I eat a nice hearty, spicy lunch and by quitting time I got nothin'? Do I sit at work and wait or do I chance it and head for home? Should I stay at work an extra 2 hours? What if it never comes? What if it comes 5 minutes after I board a train? What if I've gotten the stomach flu and I don't know it... YET (muhahahaha).

Also, I can see it now... BART changes the No Food, No Drink, No Smoking (No graffiti?) signs to "Children, elderly, and the medically incontinent must wear diapers".

Sorry, even dying of boredom over here I have MANY more things to worry about. Sure, I won't guzzle a 32oz soda before striking out across the barren tundra (although it'd probably be safe to relieve myself out there without anyone noticing) - you get the idea. I'm just one of those wild and crazy people... never planning out my poops and pees. I like to live Life on the wild side!! You poop and pee planners are too Type A for me!

And if you're seriously thinking "I shouldn't eat this! I have to get on BART in 3 hours and 22 minutes" there's something terribly terribly wrong with you. :D

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boopiejones's picture

call me boring and straight laced, but i normally make a trip to the pisser on my way to the elevator after work. i must be some kind of urinary circus freak, because i can typically pee on command even when i don't "feel" like i have to go. pooping is a little different, but i know my body well enough to know if it is safe to get on a train or if i should visit the throne first.

that being said, i have never planned my life or my lunch around bart. i never even thought about it until now. it isn't "I shouldn't eat this! I have to get on BART in 3 hours and 22 minutes" at all. it is more common sense than that: "we're all adults here - go pee pee and poo poo before you travel on the choo choo."

and spice, you must have really pissed mother nature off at one point, because she sure seems to have a vendetta against you ;)

Spice's picture

Heh heh... nahhhh, just bored SENSELESS today and having fun bantering with you. :)

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TreoBART's picture

I call it the 'BART pee'. I also avoid drinking large cups of liquid about an hour before I leave work. The only time I have trouble is the 'after work happy hour beer'. Every time I do that, even if I go before I leave the bar, my eyes are purple by the time I get home and I make a mad dash for the BART restroom even though I only live 5 minutes away. Thankfully, the PH restroom is not the worst I've ever used by a LONG shot.

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AntMoOAK's picture

I'm reading the back and forth and first of all...

uhhh Do any of us actually WANT to take a dump in a BART restroom ? When I go pee in one... I want to break speed records.

Secondly, I don't know who's male or female here (besides Shrapnel and Elaine), but generally men can hold their pee a whole lot longer than women can- hours even... If I recall Anatomy and Physiology from back in the day, men have a sphincter that allows us to control our pees, including holding it in longer... women lack this sphincter (or is compromised) at that point in the urinary track. So I empathize with the women (or folks otherwise bladder/Urinary tract challenged) who can't "plan" to pee

boopiejones's picture

i am a guy, and i am almost positive spice is as well. i seem to recall an earlier conversation where someone called spice a female and he corrected them. but male or female, spice is a sphincter for not agreeing with me :o

Spice's picture

You are correct on 2 counts, I AM male, and I have a sphincter!

As for agreeing with you, I agree to disagree with your agreeing... or something like that.

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AntMoOAK's picture

'lest someone correct me... we All (men and women) have urinary sphincters... I just remember the lecture that the men's is stronger or that we have more control over it... So sphinctres for all

Shrapnel's picture

Hooah! Sphincters for all!

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Spice's picture

Damnit Shrapnel, we must have the same sense of humor. I was going to post that same exact thing about 10 mins ago but couldn't be bothered. Too tired to be witty anymore. Is it Friday yet? :)

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rafa1215's picture

Now now children no more caca and pee pee stories

Thorbjørn's picture

You know those water rides? The log flume? My stomach does an imitation of the log flume if I eat more than a very small amount of onion. The flume results in large gurgling noises and everything I ate flying out the other end at high velocity within about 30-60 minutes of eating. Yes, WAY too much information, but there is a point to this whole nasty story.

It's a food intolerance: AKA "medical condition" as mentioned in the absurd argument above. And people love sneaking onions in everything they can think of. Yet I've avoided ever having to think about using an ultra-nasty BART bathroom which some people seem to consider their favorite, nasty inalienable toilet to use.

Believe it or not, there are usually toilets available at businesses near many BART stations. Also, believe it or not, there usually is some warning before imminent peeing or pooping has to occur, even with bizarre medical anomalies. Also, most non-homeless people over the age of 10 are aware of their bowel states and plan accordingly so they don't soil or wet themselves if humanly possible.

Your mommy and daddy probably made you use the bathroom before you got in the car when you were a kid. If you feel the urge to use BART restrooms on a regular basis then you're either some kind of pervert or it might be time for you to revive your parents' bathroom tradition with yourself before leaving for BART.

Though maybe I'm way off base and toilets might be an inalienable right for people on transit. In fact, I think I'll start lobbying the car companies to make toilets a mandatory part of every automobile.

Shrapnel's picture

I think BART bathrooms are uniformly nasty. Even the staff bathrooms leave something to be desired. The employees only bathroom at Fruitvale smells like pee and vinegar. And only Station Agents, System Services, and BART Police Officers have access to it. The one at 12th has had poop on the floor on more than one occasion, and, in fact, the women's restroom at Rockridge is cleaner than the employee's only one about half the time.

Tomorrow I think I'm gonna go on the floor in front of the Subway at 19th Street when nature calls.

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boopiejones's picture

your comment about restrooms being available near bart reminded me of a website i stumbled across about a month ago: http://www.mizpee.com you type in your location and it tells you nearby places where you can deploy the troops and rates the cleanliness of the restrooms as well. spice, pay attention. mizpee.com

Spice's picture

Oh don't misunderstand... in the 7 or 8 years I've been riding BART I've used their bathrooms ohhhhh... 3 times? And if I recall I wasn't dancing around crossing my legs, it was more like "well, I'm here... might as well tinkle now instead of waiting until I walk 10 mins to my car, then drive 10 mins home".

I see from the way people are reacting to my rebuttal that y'all are only thinking in terms of "frequent pee-ers". I never meant to suggest myself or anyone else use the bathrooms with regularity, rather that on any given day where BART is transporting tens of thousands of people there's bound to be at least 1? 10? 50? people a day who have a legitimate emergency. Perhaps they DID plan - tried to go before boarding BART - but nature didn't strike until they were committed to a ride.

Nor am I even suggesting this has to be the case. Simply that having bathrooms available is nice (it would be nicer if they were CLEAN!!!) should you find yourself needing or wanting to go whilest in/on/near/around BART.

ALL that said, I don't think it's BART's problem (masters) or obviously that BART is required to provide such (as witnessed by the fact that the underground station bathrooms have been closed since approx. 9/11). Again, just a nicety.

Thanks for the heads-up boopie, but much like you (and a lot of others) I prefer NOT to use public restrooms... most of the time they're foul, disgusting cesspools.

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