do you support the pending BART strike?

18% (7 votes)
82% (31 votes)
Total votes: 38


TreoBART's picture

Oh, I'm sorry Master Chief, are you forgetting the email addresses to all your accounts?

So many sock puppets, so little time, so few mods to block their accounts.

I like this website but its potential for any influence on the current labor negotiations is nil. The riding public does not get to vote on the contracts so even if everybody who rides BART that uses the internet had BARTRAGE as their home page it wouldn't matter. I don't know what the traffic is here but minus the sock puppets of the last 9 weeks, it is not likely to be significant in the grander scheme that is BART public relations.

I'm amazed that somebody would put so much time into attempting to disrupt it with a blizzard of repetitive anti union sentiment that is largely uninformed of the total situation.

All this talk of firing strikers is based on complete ignorance of labor law. When law prohibits a union from striking, you can fire them if they strike. This is what happened when Ronald Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. ATU, SEIU and AFSCME are not legally prohibited from striking so you can't just fire them.

There are federal labor laws and state labor laws covering various aspects of unions and strikes. As far as California labor law is concerned, I don't know if BART is legally allowed to hire replacement workers during a strike. However, in many cases once the strike is over, the replacement workers must relinquish their jobs to the returning strikers.

I can fully sympathize with the tension and anxiety of a pending strike from the viewpoint of the BART riders. However, one of the finer points of life that helps prevent you from blowing a gasket, having a heart attack and going to an early grave is to have a complete understanding of the things that tend to piss you off.

You all do yourselves a big disservice by allowing your mind to be polluted by the Linton Johnsons of the world. Do some of your own research into BART's finances before you take BART management's word for the unions being to blame for a considerable portion of their budget deficits.

You will find that you indeed have a right to be pissed off at BART but that a considerable portion of your ire should be rightfully directed at the management and the board of directors.

Find out what little there is available to know about the failed AATC program where the General Electric Company is being sued by BART for walking away from an $80 million+ capital program that was supposed to have greatly improved the system throughput by now.

See if there is any further press coverage of the recently discovered "bad welds" in the walkways that were built for the West Dublin station. Does BART ever end up paying more when something like that happens? Uhh, yeah, sometimes they do.

What the employees say about the BAP timekeeping project is true. It became a debacle.

There is nothing wrong with being pissed off at what goes on in the world but the biggest favor you can do to yourself is to know exactly what you are pissed off at and why. In the case of the current labor negotiations you are allowing yourself to be a victim of propaganda if you think all of your anger and frustration should be directed at the unions.

TreoBART's picture

nothing to see here. move along.

Yeah, I'll be glad when this is all over with.

Lately, BARTRAGE has come to resemble a kiddie daycare center at an asylum.

Quiet please.

Because we all know that if your union asked for a raise and got it, we would not be hearing a PEEP out of you.

But again. If you received a raise, you wouldn't be in here complaining. You'd be happy as a lark.
Sidestep the truth if you want.

And like I've stated plenty of times already. When the economy was on fire, these state employees and others basically laughed at us. We were simple, blue collar grunts. Were they appalled when they were receiving huge bonuses, and raises, and we were getting basically nothing? Where was the outrage and resentment then? As long as we kept those trains moving, people could care less about us. Now their situation resembles a rubber raft with three holes in it, and ours is rock solid, there's outrage and resentment now.

Instead of trying to get more rights for themselves, more security, better pay and benefits in their own job, they want to take these things away from others so that everyone is at the same, low, miserable level as they are.

"I have to furlough days, they should too"
"I have to pay a bunch of money for my pension, they should too!"
"I have to pay a bunch of money for my benefits, they should too!"
"My job just cut my pay, theirs should be cut too!"
"We didn't ask for a raise! How can they?"
"I don't get overtime. The shouldn't be able to work OT either!"
"I just got laid off! Fire those stupid lazy bums so I can have their job and make all that money!"
"My car got wrecked! How dare you have a nice car when I don't? Wreck yours too and share the pain!"

Crabs in a barrel.

Speak to those that DON'T care about their jobs.

Stop lumping EVERY BART employee in the same category.

It's old.

Time to Replace

One can understand why our jobs have been going more and more to non American workers. If BART could, they
would hire cheap Asian Indian labor like my company is doing and eliminate American jobs.

Unions across the country are a dying breed at their own hand, GM and other automakers are a perfect example of what unions have done to American manufacturer, now they are all suffering and additional those who are related in work.

We have 11 million people out of work. The BART workers are the highest paid transportation workers in America. Our transportation costs to get to work is also the highest due to labor costs. Remember BART operators DO NOT RUN THE TRAINS, they are totally operated by BART control center at the Lake Merritt station center. The most they do is hold open the door for running riders to get in THAT'S IT!

When you have BART janitors making more money than a teacher at $96,000 a year in wages and benefits, there is something wrong. These union people should be grateful for having the current salary and benefits.

To say you need one person to remove the back seat cover on the train and you have to use another to remove the seat is utterly ridicouls. Just like a janitor who cleans on the inside can clean on the outside.

As hard as it will be on all of us, I hope they are out for 60 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cant argue with the "safe worker becomes less productive" statement...I see it A LOT buuut....the AUTO thing is SLIGHTLY flawed...The unions are partly to blame ...but not COMPLETELY.
The big boys(management) kept Oking the BIG cars ..and other BAD calls(sounds familiar...where is that from?) and the consumer said NOPE when the gas prices went to $4+ a gallon.
I KNOW they were in trouble before BUT ...the upper crusts did NOTHING but ride the boat all the way to the bottom ...then got the golden parachute(ok...ship analogies didn't work for that ) and the workers got ..the blame and the pink slip.

Hell, if I knew I had a HUGE check , cushy perks and etc waiting NO MATTER what...Id be HAPPY to run a FEW BIG American companies into the ground.

A.T.'s picture

"These union people should be grateful for having the current salary and benefits."

Very much agreed. And for those who are grateful and doing their jobs to the fullest ability, Kudos. I would love to be a Train Operator in BART. It was my dream as a kid and still is. It really wouldn't even be considered a job, but more like my hobby. Getting paid a decent rate and benefits along with it. I can't complain about that.

"Remember BART operators DO NOT RUN THE TRAINS, they are totally operated by BART control center at the Lake Merritt station center. The most they do is hold open the door for running riders to get in THAT'S IT!"

True, but please keep in mind that the Train Operators are also a communication link between us riders, Operations control center, and dispatch in case of an emergency. Anything that goes wrong with the train, they have the ability to do something about it. So for the Train Operators that are serious about their job. Kudos to you guys. See you on the rails. ^_^