Do you think BART should charge for parking at all stations?
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Do you think BART should charge for parking at all stations?Yes
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50% (1 vote)
Don't drive, don't care
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Total votes: 2
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Even if you don't drive to
Even if you don't drive to BART, you should still care whether or not they charge for parking, as people who drive and use the parking spaces are paying the same fares as you who arrives on foot, bike or bus. Your fares are subsidizing the construction of multi-million dollar parking lots and garages, whether you use them or not. BART has over 44,000 parking spaces in the system and they all cost $ to build. Those who use them should pay for them, not the riders who arrive by other means.
if you don't want to
if you don't want to pay...don't drive.
Free parking was always one
Free parking was always one of the incentives to use BART. Between the fare increases,
more fuel efficient cars and the increasingly filthy condition of the trains, I am less
motivated to use the system all the time. Pay parking is just one more factor.
unless you are doing a
unless you are doing a reverse commute with a coworker on an 80 MPG moped, bart is cheaper even after paying the measly $1 for parking.
"Free parking is one of their
"Free parking is one of their incentives"...but you are still riding no? in that case you have already absorbed the increase mentally, just working it's way into your cerebellum now.
You're right of course---a
You're right of course---a buck a day is hardly a deal-breaker. It's just that
once this starts there is no going back; how long before it becomes $2 and then
$3... Look what's happening to the bridge tolls right now!
I truly believe that until we
I truly believe that until we stop government spending...and look at how our society is being run we will be in the same vicious cycle for some time. 2 party system does not work...we now have a government that thinks itself to be entitled...we pay more in taxes but receive less...I could go on but it is not worth it.
Free parking is very
Free parking is very important to bring people to use Transit. Saying that non-parking riders are subsidizing parking costs is not correct. How about passengers who never get a seat? what about riders who carry bikes and take up more space than others. What about riders who carry luggage while most don't. It should be free parking at all lots. otherwise start charging for bikes on bart, luggage, etc etc.
Non-parking riders are
Non-parking riders are subsidizing parking riders if parking is free. It's pretty straightforward: it cost BART to build parking, the costs cause the price of a ticket to go up if the parking is given away for free.
I would love to see a fee for
I would love to see a fee for bicycles. They've had sacred cow status long enough.
I do pay..it's called my bike
I do pay..it's called my bike locker
plenty of people lock their
plenty of people lock their bikes up in BART stations for free. why not make them pay too?
i think that if you are
i think that if you are locking it to a tree or a pole intended for some other purpose (like to hold a sign) then it should be free. if you are using a locker there should obviously be a charge. if there are dedicated bike racks, there should probably be a small fee for those as well, since they cost money to install.
if you take your bike or oversized luggage on a train, especially during rush hour, there should be a fee. the dedicated bike spaces mean that two seats are taken out of the train. someone needs to pay for that, and it should be the owners of the items that are filling the space...
non-folding bikes and luggage
non-folding bikes and luggage that cannot be stowed under the seat on bart should require a fee regardless.
if you are taking up more than the space allotted to one person you should have to pay extra end of story.
Since bikes are technically
Since bikes are technically not allowed on trains during the peak commute direction and crowded trains in general, they do not generally take up space that would be used for extra riders. When it is standing room only (ie, bodies pressed against each other) you will very rarely see a bike on board. BART is not losing riders because of bikes on board, in fact, they are gaining riders who don't need a $20,000 parking space created for them.
Why do automobile drivers have it in for bicyclists? If you can't handle sharing the road with bikes, you're probably just a lousy driver. If you're complaining that they should pay extra to ride on BART, you're just an ignoramus.
As a BART passenger, I am
As a BART passenger, I am tired of being rammed and scraped by some two-wheeled elitist who
thinks he/she has a God-given right to be anywhere they please on the train. As a pedestrian,
I am tired of being run down on sidewalks by bicycle riders who think walkways are a just
an extension of the road and is there exclusively for their benefit. As a driver, I am
tired of bicyclists ignoring stop signs and traffic signals, frequently while riding on
the wrong side of the road.
If traffic cops cited bicycle riders with as much enthusiam as they do everyone else on
the road enough revenue could be created to pay for a whole bunch of new parking places.
God knows you don't pay license fees, insurance premiums, or highway taxes. I guess using
something without paying for it is just part of your group mentality.
...and I am tired by being
...and I am tired by being hit by dumbass drivers...but I digress this is a BART forum
just wait until car drivers
just wait until car drivers to their own "critical mass" and flatten you arrogant bikers
see no need for the personal
see no need for the personal attack, that is the equivalent of me saying a pox on your firstborn...no need you see???
no more a personal attack
no more a personal attack than what you said, bikey mcgee
I hope your car gets
I hope your car gets keyed...is that what I am supposed to retort with? there are extremes to any lifestyle...yours just happens to ruin our planet...
I am locking this thread
I am locking this thread because it has degraded into personal insults. If you wish to discuss part parking you can start a new thread.
"God knows you don't pay
"God knows you don't pay license fees, insurance premiums, or highway taxes. I guess using
something without paying for it is just part of your group mentality."
I'm hardly a bike zealot, but I really hate this mentality / argument. I have a car, two actually. I pay license fees and insurance premiums. When I buy gas I pay those taxes. As a home owner and a gainfully employed citizen of the U.S., I pay real estate and income taxes. Those all help to support the automobile infrastructure.
When I chose to ride a bike, I have indeed paid for it. I don't get a credit or a deduction when ever I don't use my car. So please don't use this worthless argument to support your "roads are for cars only" philosophy.
I don't have a "roads are for
I don't have a "roads are for cars only" philosophy. I have a "sidewalks are for pedestrians only" philosophy. If you want to get flattened that's your business--just stay where you belong while you're doing it. I pay the same
taxes you do. BFD.
I built all of the
I built all of the sidewalks...
doesnt matter what is allowed
doesnt matter what is allowed or not people with bikes get on the trains during high commute times anyway. i have NEVER seen a train operator remove someone for having a bike during peak commute hours, only for getting in the first car.
car drivers have it in for bikers because bikers do bullcrap like critical mass which is a flagrant violation of traffic laws and basically a roving gang on wheels
Wait, you're saying car
Wait, you're saying car drivers in all locations have it out for bicyclists because of Critical Mass events that take place maybe once a month in SF and sometimes Berkeley? That makes no sense. So according to that statement, every time a driver almost runs me off the road in Dublin or Walnut Creek, they're doing it in retaliation for an event that they've probably never been affected by? Drivers who get stuck in Critical Mass have plenty of warning about it. If they choose to drive thru the financial district during the 20 minutes of the MONTH when streets are filled with bicyclists, then that's poor planning on their part. I blame lousy driving skills, not knowing the vehicle code (read it - the road belongs to bikes and autos!) and inattentive operators. If you want to chalk it up to latent CM rage, so be it, but it doesn't justify anything and is a flimsy excuse at best.
Having a bicyclist complain
Having a bicyclist complain about "lousy driving skills" is the highlight of my day.
I have a laminated card that
I have a laminated card that I pass out to drivers, it is CA state law that explains my legal right to ride my bike on the road/street etc. When I pass one to you you will know who I am
Just don't do it while you
Just don't do it while you are running me down on the SIDEWALK.
I don't ride my bike on the
I don't ride my bike on the sidewalk
thank you
Too bad the rest of you
Too bad the rest of you don't.
And oh yeah, you're welcome.
Many of us "bicyclists" also
Many of us "bicyclists" also drive cars some of the time, so we can definitely see it from both sides. People who generalize that all bicyclists are irresponsible "scofflaws" have probably never ridden a bike in traffic and don't understand the challenges faced when trying to ride lawfully (which means on the street to the right, only taking the lane if necessary for safety). If you actually tried riding and were exposed to the lousy auto drivers referred to earlier, you would probably get the clue, and maybe have some compassion. People who ride their bikes on the sidewalk are breaking the law unless they are under 12, and you generally only see that with inexperienced riders, or those who live in communities where drivers have the anti-bicyclist attitude and do it out of safety. So it's a vicious circle that could possibly be mitigated if more people actually tried to ride a bike and see what the environment is for those of us who do ride on a regular basis.
I rode bicycles and
I rode bicycles and motorcycles for 30 years until a decline in the quality
of my eyesight made it dangerous for me to continue. I know precisely the
challenges you face and and comment not out of a lack of compassion but out
of frustration at the amazingly rude behaviour exhibited by most of the two
wheeled community I encounter these days.
If sharing the road with cars is too much for you to deal with I suggest you
put your bike away and try walking for awhile. If you were exposed to the lousy
bike riders you don't seem to believe in, you might possibly get a clue yourself.
What many bicyclist don't seem to realize is that some streets simply aren't
safe to be on during peak traffic hours. Insisting on doing so merely because
Californa law permits it puts both cyclist and motorist at risk and is foolishly
irresponsible.
Of course, theres always the sidewalk.....
all kidding aside, thank you
all kidding aside, thank you for not continuing to ride/drive when your eyesight is not there...I as well as many others that don't know that are appreciative. I don't mind sharing the road with cars...providing I am not run off the road(4 times) cursed at (too many to count) and this is all riding on the right side of the road. This is why I printed the laminated cards to distribute, not to be an ass, but to at least let people know about the rules of the road, and that when they are wielding a 1000lb machine of death that they need to act responsible and with care so they don't do something they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Actually there are some
Actually there are some operators that tell passengers with bikes to exit the train.
"Free parking" is an
"Free parking" is an oxymoron. Either it is public property mot subject to real estate tax thus raising costs to everyone else, or taxable land which costs the owner more in taxes than "unimproved property". So either way there are costs before we even deal with lighting, striping, liability insurance, maintenance etc. OTOH, those of us who access BART either on foot or bicycle or transit do not use this "wasted" land whose much better use might be commercial or mixed use buildings so why should we subsidise those who do?
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