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"Medical Emergency" @ Lake Merritt

A couple of thousand people were left stranded at 19th st and 12th st after two Fremont trains were taken out of
service due to a medical emergency @ Lake Merritt. Southbound trains were sent back to Richmond or forward
to Daly City as passengers were told by TO's to "just wait for another train." No bus bridge, further explanation,
nothing. Took a cab home and am still waiting to hear on the news just what the hell happened.

Anybody know??

I was on THE train where this

I was on THE train where this happened, although I was too far to see what was really going on. I mainly watched a bunch of people looking over my head.

I have no clue what the problem was, and I was right there. Somebody was passed out and they had medical/bart people running all over. Wish I could tell you more. I came here to see if anyone knew! I thought it would be on the news, the commute must've been terrible behind us.

Why can't they just take the person off of the train? I heard someone mention a stretcher, so maybe the person fell over and they were worried about their neck. Seems like such overkill. Just pull them onto the platform and get the trains running. We were stopped for a good 30-40 minutes. I was just happy I had a seat.

Oh, and like 30 seconds before the conductor said we would be leaving, the train accross the platform turned into a dublin/pleasanton (not sure what it was originally, probably headed towards downtown oakland)! It was great watching everyone run over to that train and back because they couldn't decide. Of course that train left before ours. Ugh, it reminded me of MUNI, where I could expect this sort of thing pretty regularly. At least it's no too common on BART.

The medical emergency was a

The medical emergency was a lady who just recently had back surgery, fell on the train and couldn't get up. Medics arrived on the scene, and after realizing the problem, also realized they needed a back brace/board to carry her...and they didn't bring one . A board had to be brought out to them. Then they had to consult an actual doctor before they could move her off the train. Thats why it took so long. While this lady was in sever pain, nobody cared and blamed the operator and bart for the delay.

Sounds exactly right because

Sounds exactly right because they didn't seem to be doing any major intervention, and I heard they needed a stretcher. How about a stretcher at every stop? They aren't that expensive. And the FDP doesn't call the doctor when they take someone out of a car on a backboard. They know how to do it. In fact, FPD could probably be there about as quickly as BART medics (who didn't look all that impressive), so why not use them?

Everyone was concerned on the train I was on. Nobody complaining, a lot of worried looks. But I still think they can get patients off the train more efficiently. This happens EVERY time there's a medical emergency.

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"How about a stretcher at

"How about a stretcher at every stop? They aren't that expensive."

It seems crazy that they don't have basic medical stuff at every station.
Stretchers, first aid kit, defibrillator, etc.

This incident happened about

This incident happened about 6 feet in front of me. I had a view of the whole thing. The bulk of the time was spent waiting for the medics to arrive. The woman fell at 4:41, and the medics didn't arrive until 5:05-5:10. I heard the whole conversation between the medics and the nurse bystander who had been assisting the woman (she was the true hero in all this, really amazing). This wasn't the fault of the individual medics but the fault of whatever algorithm they use to determine the level of urgency of each individual emergency. Apparently the dispatcher asks a series of questions to the caller (e.g. "is she breathing?" "Is she conscious?") and the answers determine the level of emergency. The medics explained that they received the call from dispatch as a priority 2, which is like a "get there when you get there" thing - that is a quote from the medic who appeared to be the more senior of the two. I was an EMT in New England and what I know about the system is that there are three levels used to classify the urgency of an emergency. Priority 3 is usually a non-emergency call that would be something like driving a dialysis patient back to their nursing home after treatment - people that need medical transportation but aren't experiencing an acute medical condition; whereas a priority 1 is the type of call requiring lights and sirens in response to a "real" emergency (e.g. cardiac arrest, unconscious patient, not breathing, etc.). Both the nurse and the medics seemed surprised that this incident hadn't been classified as a priority 1. If it had been, commuters would have gotten home at least 20 minutes earlier. I'm not sure if the algorithm used is a national protocol or locally developed and implemented, but if it's local perhaps the public should encourage the city to re-evaluate the means used to determine the priority level of an emergency.

Also, mapezaid is correct, the medics did not consult a doctor. Certain criteria (e.g. did the patient have a fall, did the patient hit her head, etc.) determine whether a patient should be backboarded. Accordingly, EMT's and medics are trained to use their discretion in deciding whether to backboard a patient, based on these criteria. Often it is done as a precautionary measure even if the patient appears to be "fine." After assessing the patient and listening to the nurse bystander, the medics determined that the woman should be boarded. They did not want to risk breaking the woman's back in light of her spinal issues. Upon committing to this decision, one of the medics had to return to the truck to get the backboard, and call the fire department for assitance in lifting the patient. If the call had be assessed correctly by emergency dispatch, the medics could have arrived much earlier, brought their backboard into the station from the get-go, and had the fire department automatically dispatched to and already present on the scene. What we have here is what looks like a major failure in the dispatching system leading to multiple problems in the response time and on site treatment.

Why do medical emergencies

Why do medical emergencies affect trains in both directions?

I was heading toward San Francisco and it was a train heading toward Fremont or Dublin/Pleasanton with the problem at Lake Merrit. No trains were heading toward Fremont. I can understand that. But they turned around trains heading toward San Francisco, even though that track was not affected by a stuck train. Eventually, they started "single tracking" around the stuck train, further delaying the train I eventually boarded, but they didn't do that right away.

It seems to me that BART really needs to develop better procedures. They need better trained staff to deal with medical situations; they need better operational responses to stuck trains; they need better communication. When a train stuck on one track delays countless trains in both directions, they only affect countless number of commuters, which only increases the cost of the entire event (in terms of the delay time that each person has to pay).

My favorite part of these

My favorite part of these situations is the complete apathy of Bart toward its obligation to inform passengers about what's happening and expected delay time. Fuck the passengers who have a strict deadline of some type: picking kids up from daycare, medical appointments, job interviews, planes to catch, court appearances, visa interviews, funeral services-- I'm sure there are a dozen other critical appointments in which failure to attend means a serious monkey wrench thrown into life's plans. I'm not saying this woman's back isn't serious-- all I'm saying is there is room for improvement in Bart's bankrupt ability to effectively communicate with its well-paying passengers.

Informing passengers of

Informing passengers of delays and closures is completely ignored during
this kind of emergency. After the T/O threw us all off the train NO
information of any kind was forthcoming and the mood on the 12th st
platform was growing ugly. After the NEXT trainload of riders were ejected
things started to get much worse real fast.

The passengers decending from the street level couldn't believe what
they were seeing, and the pushing on the stairs was getting dangerous.
The possibility of violence was very real and I was afraid of a riot.
I managed to get up to 12th st and found a cab for the $45 ride home.

Bart police, btw, were nowhere to be seen.

This affected everyone on the

This affected everyone on the PBP line too and no one knew what was going on. I agree with you and am also angered by BART's insensitivity to other people's obligations that depend on BART and have to get somewhere. Sounds like that lady had no business being on BART in the first place in that condition after recent surgery. Duh! How annoying no BART police. Of course not, not when 12th Street gets ugly, BPD goes to Starbucks. I also think that it was most unreasonable that the EMTS weren't there sooner and didn't think to bring a stretcher. Didn't anyone say anything about her surgery or back to the EMT dispatcher.