Will Dorothy Duggar get fired?

Yes. It is her turn.
79% (11 votes)
No, she's doing a great job.
21% (3 votes)
Total votes: 14


My bet is NO.
Unless the ENTIRE board is removed FIRST...then..who knows.

I did NOT vote though...there needs to be a NO because she is not accountable just like ANY other manager at BART or something like that.

No one at that level is ever fired. They are always pressured into either retiring or resigning. I'm not saying that's what will happen with Dorothy Duggar but it seems there have been some fairly major screw ups on her watch--Hayward Fire, Oscar Grant shooting, etc.

I left before Dorothy became GM. However, she was there for a number of years at various high levels while I was there.

BART has a finely tuned and highly accurate internal rumor mill. I never heard anything bad about her so she must have kept her nose clean.

As far as blaming her for Oscar Grant or the Hayward fire, you really can't.

Police departments universally have a code of silence and a circle the wagons approach to anything involving misconduct of one of their own. This isn't just a BART thing. That has more to do with the handling of the Oscar Grant case than anything she could have controlled.

As far as the Hayward Fire, that has more to do with a deeply ingrained culture of "Let's get this damn thing fixed and back on line, NOW, before somebody downtown starts bitching." Unfortunately, sometimes that makes for some real "AWW,SHIT!!!" moments. Ask anybody who works in the shops about GO CARS.

BART is not unique in either of these workplace culture situations and you don't sacrifice the GM's job because of it either.

"As far as the Hayward Fire, that has more to do with a deeply ingrained culture of "Let's get this damn thing fixed and back on line, NOW, before somebody downtown starts bitching."

--Interesting point. I recently heard from an employee that *it was "downtown" (as in high level executive) that ordered the "repair" that caused the second, more devastating fire....

You're pretty much spot on with your observations.

Famous last words in the world of electric power substation maintenance:

"Just jumper out some stuff to get the circuit breakers to close."

So, former employee, I take it from reading your previous posts that you spent most of your career with BART in RS&S, or more precisely, VME. And those posts were always well thought out and informative. What do you know about traction power substation maintenance? I've spent most of my BART career in traction power maintenance, and I'm disappointed in your inference that a substation maintainer would circumvent safe work practices. Many, many times I was dispatched to get a breaker to close that Central couldn't close, and I never jumpered out a control or protective circuit to accomplish that goal. Jumper the rail sections - yes, but never controls or protections. The BART traction power distribution system has enough redundancy that train service is rarely dependent on any single breaker. There are short island sections with only one feed, but trains can "bump" through them relatively easy. If one of several breakers on a long rail section is out-of-service, Central can and does lower PLs.
I don't think you would appreciate it if I impugned the reputation of RS&S or VME by insinuating those groups took dangerous risks to keep up the car count.

Basel made the statement that it was someone "downtown" who made the ill advised decision to power up the HY SS, not the electricians.

The facetious quote that I made was in reference to what some higher up "downtown" might suggest, not what someone thoroughly familiar with the equipment would do.

"Famous last words" usually come from those who know just enough to be dangerous, not the journeyman. Sorry for the confusion. It wasn't my intent to convey that BART routinely maintains traction power substations by jumpering out protection circuits. They would mostly all be fried if that were true.

I make no claim to be an expert in traction power maintenance. However, I know enough about how the system works to know that whatever happened at Hayward had to have been highly unusual for that much damage to occur with a properly functioning control and protection system. Are you at liberty to tell us some details of why the damage was so severe?

As far as car count, we had an AGM of operations prior to the current one who told us all in a meeting about 15 years ago, "I need 550 cars available for service every weekday and I don't care how you do it."

The "I don't care how you do it" approach sets a bad precedent. Fortunately, that particular individual is long gone, and in my opinion, the current hierarchy doesn't share his sentiment.